is there a good website that shows the chronology with all the different quality levels during each manufacturing period? or could someone run through it for me? the official website only goes up to like 1975 or so.
i can find the differences b/t all the current gruppos (chorus, record, etc) but cant find out about older product divisions.
particularly, i see a lot of people selling strada cranksets on ebay and calling them nuovo record. i dont get what the difference is...
thanks!
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This may help you a bit.
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ahhhh. very much like strasse auf deutsch. cool.
whats up with c(orsa) vs sr?
also is there a timeline/list including all the low-end component lines?
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ahhhh. very much like strasse auf deutsch. cool.
whats up with c(orsa) vs sr?
also is there a timeline/list including all the low-end component lines?
Corsa is known as C-Record, and it was introduced in '84.
Super Record & Nuovo was still selling for another couple years; the very last of it was supposedly made in '87. Seems some die-hards then still wanted the Super & Nuovo, 'cause it was more traditional...? About the time C-Record was introduced ('84), Campagnolo also came out with Victory and Triomph... So, here were several groups available at that time (probably Nuovo Gran Sport as well)... I think it was right around '87 that the Super & Nuovo were officially dropped; they'd been around for a long time by then, and Croce d'Aune came out, and maybe at that same time, Chorus. Croce was actually #2 then, with cool parts and finish nearly like C-Record. Chorus was in the #3 spot, and I think Victory & Triomph may have disappeared... Not sure exactly when that happened. Anyway, a couple of years later (maybe around '90?), Croce was dropped, and Chorus was #2.... I'm probably off a bit on some of this, but probably not too far. I doubt there are any other timelines that cover the lower-end groups, as it's really the Pro stuff that most people are interested in.
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A very basic top of the line Campagnolo derailleur timeline:
1933-1956 two seatstay mounted gear system, known in Italian as 'due stecche' or two lever, also called in North America as 'Cambio Corsa' which translates to racing derailleur. This seatstay derailleur system was also available with longer levers, which was called 'Cambio Sport'.
1948-1956 Single seatstay mounted gear system, originally known in Italian by the name 'una stecca' or one lever. This was one level up from the 'due stecche'. After Fausto Coppi's win in the Paris-Roubaix race, using this gear system, it became officially known by the name Paris-Roubaix. Both the Paris-Roubaix and 'due stecche' were supposedly last made in 1954, but were still available for perhaps as many as 3 years thereafter.
1951-early 1960's Gran Sport. This was the new top dog of the Campagnolo range, quickly replacing both the 'due stecche' and paris-roubaix.
1960-1968 Record. This took the place of the Gran Sport in the Campagnolo range and was in many respects simply an updated version of the previous model.
1967-1986 Nuovo Record (Italian for new record). This was effectively an alloy version of the Record model.
1972-1986 Super Record for racing and Rally for touring. The Rally derailleur was more or less the first true touring derailleur offered by Campagnolo and was often sold in Italy with a Nuovo Record front plate. The Super Record was lightened by use of Titanium parts and was a slightly updated version of the Nuovo Record.
1984-1990's C-Record. This was an aerodynamic version update of the Nuovo Record. For the few years that it ran alongside the Nuovo Record and Super Record, it was far more expensive (20% more expensive, hence the reason that many still went for the older nuovo record and super record)
As you can see, the new top of the line derailleur was generally introduced while maintaining the previous model still in the line-up. Below the top of the line derailleurs, there were a number of 'lesser' models. Alongside the Gran Sport, Campagnolo offered the Sport. Alongside the Record, they offered the sportman. Alongside the Nuovo Record, they had the Valentino, Nuovo Sport, Valentino Extra, Sport Extra, Velox, Gran Turismo, Nuovo Gran Sport, 980, 990. Alongside the C-Record they had the Victory, Triomphe, New Victory, New Triomphe.
The lowest on the heap at all times they were offered were the Velox and Sport. Just above these, if they were being offered concurrently with the Velox and Sport, you would find the various versions of the Valentino and the Sportsman. Above the Valentino, when offered concurrently, you had the 980 and it successor the 990, Above the Valentino, 980 and 990, when offered concurrently, you had the Nuovo Gran Sport. The only true option to the top of the line touring Rally derailleur was the economical Gran Turismo. This was however designed for a completely different application so cannot readily be compared to 'racing' derailleurs.
Originally Posted by ephemeralskin
ahhhh. very much like strasse auf deutsch. cool.